Why the hatred on Honda?

"Iheartmy365kHonda - Car enthusiasts do like FWD" (300korbust)
06/03/2014 at 19:37 • Filed to: None

So, just wondering, why does everyone hate Honda?

Let me just start out with an argument from my brother.

One of my dad's client brought in a 1992 Honda and I was just checking it out. It was really clean and I told my brother I liked it. He then proceeded to say it's crap and it makes no sense for me to like Honda. Now, I respect his opinion, but he also said his Camaro was a fun car and that I should like that. I do like his Camaro, but yet I don't.

We kept going back and forth and I just eventually walked away since I had to stream my professor online and ended the argument. I'm not trying to say, "All hail Honda, supreme ruler of cars!" What I am trying to say is they need SOME credit. Sure, they lack in areas here and there, but also produce some strengths.

I know they aren't the greatest cars on Earth and have attracted some really stupid customization. I still like them though and I respect other people's opinions and other car brands. Still, why the hate on Honda?

DISCUSSION (51)

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > Iheartmy365kHonda - Car enthusiasts do like FWD
06/03/2014 at 19:38

Honda is fine. They've produced some awesome cars.

Iheartmy365kHonda - Car enthusiasts do like FWD > sm70- why not Duesenberg?
06/03/2014 at 19:39

Exactly my point. I tried to tell my brother that, but he is the kind of GM guy who states that it's either GM or crap.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > Iheartmy365kHonda - Car enthusiasts do like FWD
06/03/2014 at 19:41

Honda gained my respect a long time ago.

Kinja'd!!!

Their cars aren't nearly as beige as Toyotas. And their engines are built like tanks.

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > Iheartmy365kHonda - Car enthusiasts do like FWD
06/03/2014 at 19:41

There are those people who like a certain type of car, and cannot be presented with any form or amount of evidence to prove that the car they like isn't perfect, or that any other car isn't crap. Ignore him. He's actively uninformed.

Iheartmy365kHonda - Car enthusiasts do like FWD > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
06/03/2014 at 19:42

OOOO... that Type R!! Dat S2K!

Dwhite - Powered by Caffeine, Daft Punk, and Corgis > Iheartmy365kHonda - Car enthusiasts do like FWD
06/03/2014 at 19:43

People here love Honda of yesterday. People hate most of Honda of today.

Iheartmy365kHonda - Car enthusiasts do like FWD > sm70- why not Duesenberg?
06/03/2014 at 19:43

Will do! I also informed him how other people like different brands as well (VW, MG, Saab, Subaru, etc) and he wasn't convinced. So yeah, I'll ignore him.

Doge_Supreme drives a BRZ > Iheartmy365kHonda - Car enthusiasts do like FWD
06/03/2014 at 19:43

Probably from all the riced out and stanced ones that are out there. for every tastefully modded civic there about 200 riced out fart can equipped rolling junk heaps. I used to not like Honda because of all the riced out ones but now I love catching one that you can tell someone has put some serious time and effort into them.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > Iheartmy365kHonda - Car enthusiasts do like FWD
06/03/2014 at 19:43

My girlfriend almost got an RSX. I was sad when I learned she wasn't.

Aya, Almost Has A Cosmo With Toyota Engine Owned by a BMW. > Iheartmy365kHonda - Car enthusiasts do like FWD
06/03/2014 at 19:44

Well, i have to say that while honda is great, they lost their uniqueness a long while ago.

In the old days we have the Prelude, the integra, the NSX, etc. Even the Civic of old days is awesome.

Now see current honda line-up, and what sort of honda that you want?

For me it's currently none.

Iheartmy365kHonda - Car enthusiasts do like FWD > Doge_Supreme drives a BRZ
06/03/2014 at 19:45

I +1 that. It sucks that riced out Hondas make the brand have a bad image. Mine is stock, except for some stickers here and there and a sound system. That's it.

Yeah, its not the most fun car to drive, but I still enjoy and love the car!

Iheartmy365kHonda - Car enthusiasts do like FWD > Dwhite - Powered by Caffeine, Daft Punk, and Corgis
06/03/2014 at 19:45

I can understand. They've lost their spark, but so have a few automakers.

Iheartmy365kHonda - Car enthusiasts do like FWD > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
06/03/2014 at 19:45

Awww... that is sad.

Iheartmy365kHonda - Car enthusiasts do like FWD > Aya, Almost Has A Cosmo With Toyota Engine Owned by a BMW.
06/03/2014 at 19:47

Agreed. I do not even want the new Si. It looks... boring. I'm not sure about performance, but I do not want a new Honda.

BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather > Iheartmy365kHonda - Car enthusiasts do like FWD
06/03/2014 at 19:47

Most people are scared to death of being called ricers. Hondas have lead that charge in the past, and unfortunately to the ignorant masses, that image stuck. Hondas are great cars. They do the same or more as other cars, without any fuss or theatrics, and are bulletproof.

Forget the haters.

Iheartmy365kHonda - Car enthusiasts do like FWD > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather
06/03/2014 at 19:48

I agree to bulletproof. Mine has 345,000 on it but isn't running to its best right now since it's getting repairs from my stupidity (car accident). Still, it runs.

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > Iheartmy365kHonda - Car enthusiasts do like FWD
06/03/2014 at 19:52

If nothing else, remind him of all the great cars GM has produced over the years:

Kinja'd!!!

Iheartmy365kHonda - Car enthusiasts do like FWD > sm70- why not Duesenberg?
06/03/2014 at 19:55

OMG made my day! HAAHAHAHA!! I'll just let him down slowly. He said his Regal GS was more reliable and a better looking car than my CB7. Yeah, okay.

BrianNutter > Iheartmy365kHonda - Car enthusiasts do like FWD
06/03/2014 at 20:08

Its not the cars. It's the owners. Loved my eg, but dont like the lowlife thieves that a sizeable percentage of owners are nowdays.

Garrett Davis > Iheartmy365kHonda - Car enthusiasts do like FWD
06/03/2014 at 20:13

Fanboys will be fanboys. You have an equal chance of changing his religion as switching him to a brand other than GM. There is no logic to fanboyism. Don't try to reason with it.

BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather > Iheartmy365kHonda - Car enthusiasts do like FWD
06/03/2014 at 20:19

Takes a licking and keeps on tickin

BmacIL > Iheartmy365kHonda - Car enthusiasts do like FWD
06/03/2014 at 20:26

They're fine. That's it. I own one and I think it falls in the 2nd generation of the "we're not gonna try anymore because those dumb Americans will buy anything we make" cars. Their issue is they don't make anything truly exciting or revolutionary anymore. That used to be Honda. I walked past their spot at the Detroit Auto Show this year and they have NOTHING that pulls you in and makes you want to look at it. They make great vehicles for many people. They're handsome, reliable, feature-filled and well priced, but they don't make anything that's pushing the boundaries.

The Civic Si is seriously outclassed by everything it competes against. They killed the S2000 in 2009, and before it the NSX. From an engineering perspective, they are the last major adopters of direct injection, and likely the last to move to turbo 4's. All of their powertrain tech and chassis tech is rooted in cars from 10-15 years prior. There's no new innovation - what they used to be a leader in. They used to make family sedans that are far from sports cars, but were still involving and decent fun to drive if you pushed it. They're fading into Toyota just as Toyota is beginning to inject fun back in their products.

RiceRocketeer Extraordinaire > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
06/03/2014 at 20:34

I've shared this pic before, but here are my babies:

Kinja'd!!!

RSX has 207k on it and still dyno'd at 220+ hp with mods.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > RiceRocketeer Extraordinaire
06/03/2014 at 20:36

Oh my god. The wants I have!

So jealous, very nice!

Iheartmy365kHonda - Car enthusiasts do like FWD > Garrett Davis
06/03/2014 at 20:43

Yes sir. I still respect his opinion even though I disagree with it.

Iheartmy365kHonda - Car enthusiasts do like FWD > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather
06/03/2014 at 20:44

LOL that's true! I'm glad it was properly maintained by the previous owner, too. Although it is an automatic, bone stock Honda, I really like the car. I'm almost at 3 years of ownership.

Iheartmy365kHonda - Car enthusiasts do like FWD > BrianNutter
06/03/2014 at 20:44

That's true. Good point, some of the owners are idiots. Thankfully, the good owners shine brightly in this world!

Garrett Davis > Iheartmy365kHonda - Car enthusiasts do like FWD
06/03/2014 at 20:46

Not saying you have to respect it at all, just that there is no rhyme or reason to it. ;)

Iheartmy365kHonda - Car enthusiasts do like FWD > BmacIL
06/03/2014 at 20:46

To piggyback on our statement regarding Toyota, that is what Honda needs to do to become a great car brand again. However, they are in the business to sell cars and do not really care what the "low percentile" of buyers want.

Iheartmy365kHonda - Car enthusiasts do like FWD > Garrett Davis
06/03/2014 at 20:48

Ah, gotcha. I am trying to hop off my fanboy bandwagon and expand my options in liking other cars. I am definitely open to owning different brands of cars in the future.

Garrett Davis > Iheartmy365kHonda - Car enthusiasts do like FWD
06/03/2014 at 20:56

That's the right attitude. If you start thinking only one brand can do no wrong, you miss out of the great stuff everyone else is doing.

RiceRocketeer Extraordinaire > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
06/03/2014 at 21:10

What did she get?

AthomSfere > Iheartmy365kHonda - Car enthusiasts do like FWD
06/03/2014 at 21:11

There's the problem. He shouldn't be listened to obviously with blind brand loyalty like that.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > RiceRocketeer Extraordinaire
06/03/2014 at 21:11

Taurus -__-

Iheartmy365kHonda - Car enthusiasts do like FWD > AthomSfere
06/03/2014 at 21:13

Totally agree! I won't listen to him anymore. I still feel confident with my Honda.

BmacIL > Iheartmy365kHonda - Car enthusiasts do like FWD
06/03/2014 at 21:14

Yes it works for now. I suspect that in the not too distant future that lack of innovation will come back to bite them as even the most average consumer will be able to tell. Innovation with performance vehicles drives progress to the mainstream. It's why car makers go racing.

I for one am happy to see Honda returning too F1 next year. I hope the cars see the fruits of that labor within a few years.

AthomSfere > Iheartmy365kHonda - Car enthusiasts do like FWD
06/03/2014 at 21:15

What gen Camaro by the way? Camaro had some bad years... So if its a 90's... Fail again brother man!

desertdog5051 > Iheartmy365kHonda - Car enthusiasts do like FWD
06/03/2014 at 21:31

Gotta remember that most folks have their bias when it comes to cars. Honda is as good as any.

RiceRocketeer Extraordinaire > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
06/03/2014 at 21:57

Ha, thanks. Although sadly ... the Fiesta ST is better. No joke.

RiceRocketeer Extraordinaire > Iheartmy365kHonda - Car enthusiasts do like FWD
06/03/2014 at 22:00

Some combination of beige and rice. Lots of Honda fans in SoCal though, and I've lived with or live with 5 myself, 2 of them over 200k miles.

Iheartmy365kHonda - Car enthusiasts do like FWD > BmacIL
06/03/2014 at 22:06

Oh thank God for their return to F1! I was thinking about that today, wondering if they did! Thank you, Lord Jesus, for their hope-to-be triumphant return!

Iheartmy365kHonda - Car enthusiasts do like FWD > AthomSfere
06/03/2014 at 22:07

Well, a '95. I like it... eh, sort of.

Iheartmy365kHonda - Car enthusiasts do like FWD > RiceRocketeer Extraordinaire
06/03/2014 at 22:07

Nice! Older Hondas with high mileage (but properly maintained) are a really cool site to see!

Denver Is Stuck In The 90s > Iheartmy365kHonda - Car enthusiasts do like FWD
06/03/2014 at 23:51

I dont hate hondas, In fact I love them, I mainly hate people who care more about the look of their honda rather than performance and then act all douchy about it. Well this sentiment can describe many different people over many different genres of automotive enthusiasm, however there seems to be a higher concentration of these type of people (lets call them type-Rs) in the honda/acura community.

I Do It For Miatas, NC Owner > BmacIL
06/04/2014 at 00:22

That's exactly my issue with Honda too. There is absolutely no innovation with power trains. I'm not a domestics fanboy, but I am so proud of the Big 3 for their drive train innovations, especially what they are doing with turbos. What drives me crazy is how many people blindly buy a Honda or Toyota and don't look at the competition, and as a result Honda and Toyota are becoming quite complacent. I hope this changes next generation of their cars.

Zibodiz > Iheartmy365kHonda - Car enthusiasts do like FWD
06/04/2014 at 02:39

properly maintained by the previous owner

That's the real key. I had a lousy Honda, but I think it was entirely the fault of the previous owner. I personally like a tastefully riced car, but honestly, I think most ricers couldn't care less about maintaining their rides, and just run them into the ground. The two cars I've purchased that were previously owned by ricers were both seriously beat, and fairly unreliable. Unfortunately, the prevalence of ricing among Honda owners means a lot of third-hand owners think that Hondas are unreliable.

Zibodiz > Iheartmy365kHonda - Car enthusiasts do like FWD
06/04/2014 at 03:02

I think it's more about the drivers than the cars.

When I rode a motorcycle, I wore a plain leather jacket & chaps. When I'd walk through the grocery store with them on, I'd get dirty looks from the people I'd pass by. "He's an evil person because he's a biker" sorta vibe. I overheard people saying negative things about me multiple times, and once I saw someone who looked genuinely afraid of me quickly exit the aisle I was on.

I experienced the exact same treatment when I drove a Honda. Mine was a '93 Civic hatch, dark grey, with tinted windows and smoked tail & turn lights, and a 3" exhaust (not a coffee can at the tip, an actual 3" catback); otherwise, all the other modifications were under the hood - no spoiler, no stickers, stock steel wheels. I'd get dirty looks everywhere I went. One time I was getting fuel and a woman driving a Prius pulled up next to me and muttered something about not caring about the environment just loud enough for me to hear. I thought about telling her that my car took substantially less energy to produce (without all those LiIon Batteries), and had a significantly smaller carbon footprint, since I'd bought it used, and that I got as high as 52mpg in it, but I held my tongue. Haters gonna hate, and there's nothing you can do.

There are cars I do hate — most of them made by GM and Chrysler. But any car that's simple, honest, and mechanically-minded deserves respect, even if it's not my cup of tea.

William Byrd > Iheartmy365kHonda - Car enthusiasts do like FWD
06/04/2014 at 08:30

I dislike Honda now. Back in the late 90s, early 2000s I didn't. Back then I owned a Civic, Accord, Prelude and Odyssey even.

But that was Honda when it had a sense of fun. It does not have much, if any, left. Honda showrooms are some of the most boring places on earth. Acura isn't any better. Heck even Toyota stepped up with the '86 finally. Until I see something interesting and fun out of Honda, they're at the bottom of my list unfortunately.

metzger4-0 > Iheartmy365kHonda - Car enthusiasts do like FWD
06/04/2014 at 15:27

People hate honda because they wont make another NSX, subconsciously.

Iheartmy365kHonda - Car enthusiasts do like FWD > Zibodiz
06/05/2014 at 22:43

Ah I see your point. I totally agree and apologize for having bad luck with your previously owned ricer.

Patrick Shea Laking > Iheartmy365kHonda - Car enthusiasts do like FWD
06/09/2014 at 18:38

My wife's old Accord went over 500,000km before we replaced it. It was the first of a three-car-run in our family, followed by my parent's CRV and my mother-in-law's Odyssey (which I bought from her).

They're decent, solid cars. Mostly reliable with a little bit of attention paid to routine maintenance.

My wife now rolls a Hyundai. Likely, my Odyssey and my parent's CRV will be getting replaced by Grand Caravans in the near future. We'll see how the adventure goes.

Honestly, I think the best viewpoint is to judge each model by it's own merits, regardless of the manufacturer. Everybody has something good somewhere in their lineups... ;)